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Francesco Pasa
Hi,

I totally agree that I need to start from something small. I have a little experience with gtk, but not much. I am used to look at other people's code, tough.

I see in the list that one small app that I could start with is xfce4-screenshooter, which seems to have nobody in charge for the translation. It's a bit sad to see we do not have many people...

For orientation I only need some infos like: how am I supposed to commit my changes and the like. I see there is a git repo, shoud I just clone it and commit or do I need some sort of account? Do you develop in a specific branch?

Thanks a lot, best,
Francesco

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Hi Francesco,

I can only agree with what Alex wrote (the maintenance situation, porting
to Gtk3, starting with smaller components). The roadmap, which is sorta up
to date, can be found here: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/roadmap

That said, it is also a question of motivation and of reading the code that
is there already, as we don't really have the manpower to tutor people.
It's unfortunate, but that's just the way it is at the moment.
Anyway, welcome and I hope you'll find the time and motivation to
contribute!

If you need help, don't hesitate to ask either on the mailing list or
directly in irc (#xfce-dev on freenode).

Cheers
Simon




On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM Alex <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Francesco,
>
> these days not much happens on the "thunar-dev" mailing-list. (ca. 1 mail
> per month) Most things are discussed on "xfce4-dev".
>
> I am new to the xfce4 community myself, however regarding Thunar the first
> thing to achieve probably is to get the gtk3 port finished. The whole xfce4
> stack currently moves from gtk2 to gtk3. Thunar is probably one of the
> bigger junks to be moved.
> There is already some ongoing development on it, but it seems like the
> port still is experimental:
>
> http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/Experiments-in-porting-exo-to-Gtk3-td46692.html#a46700
>
> I dont know the current state .. best directly talk to the dev's which
> work on thunar and exo, and ask them where you can help.
> If you dont have experience with gtk, it probably makes sense to first
> move some smaller xfce4 projects to gtk3 to get used to it! ( There used to
> be some list of projects to be moved, but I dont know where it can be found
> )
>
> CC to xfce4 dev ... please correct me if I am wrong!
>
> Cheers,
> Alex
>
>
> On 07.02.2017 14:08, Francesco Pasa wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am a student and long time user of XFCE (since about 2007). I'd like to
> become a member of the Thunar development team, if possible. I never
> contributed to a open source project, so some orientation would be helpful.
> To make it concrete:
>
>    - It there a procedure to become a member of the team?
>    - Is Thunar actively maintained and developed?
>    - In case, how should I start?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Francesco
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7

Florian Weigelt
The best way to present commits for review is through a public git
repository, for example on Github. Knowledge how to use git is a
prerequisite for work on most oss projects, but it's easy to get into
the basics.

On 02/09/17 14:39, Francesco Pasa wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I totally agree that I need to start from something small. I have a
> little experience with gtk, but not much. I am used to look at other
> people's code, tough.
>
> I see in the list that one small app that I could start with is
> xfce4-screenshooter, which seems to have nobody in charge for the
> translation. It's a bit sad to see we do not have many people...
>
> For orientation I only need some infos like: how am I supposed to commit
> my changes and the like. I see there is a git repo, shoud I just clone
> it and commit or do I need some sort of account? Do you develop in a
> specific branch?
>
> Thanks a lot, best,
> Francesco



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Re: Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7

André Miranda
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Hi there Francesco,
Sorry to disappoint you, but I started to working on xfce4-screenshooter yesterday =)
It's already working, but needs some polishing. Tonight I'll share the WIP on GitHub and update the roadmap.

I suggest you pick a smaller task, for example, a panel plugin, if you use one that's not ported that would be a great start. Unfortunately the porting process is not exactly straightforward, there is no definitive guide, you start by updating the Makefile.am and configure.ac, bumping versions, compile and see what breaks. Once it compiles, check what's not working as before and after fixing the glitches, solve the deprecations.
For reference, browse the commit log of already ported components, it'll help a lot.
Regarding the repository, you would need permissions, but I think it's easier to start locally and once your port is mostly working, share a GitHub fork with us, once everything is fine we can push the commits to the official repository. Oh, and please do small commits (as you'll notice by looking at other components) instead of a single/monolithic "GTK3 Port".

Cheers,
André Miranda

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Francesco Pasa <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

I totally agree that I need to start from something small. I have a little experience with gtk, but not much. I am used to look at other people's code, tough.

I see in the list that one small app that I could start with is xfce4-screenshooter, which seems to have nobody in charge for the translation. It's a bit sad to see we do not have many people...

For orientation I only need some infos like: how am I supposed to commit my changes and the like. I see there is a git repo, shoud I just clone it and commit or do I need some sort of account? Do you develop in a specific branch?

Thanks a lot, best,
Francesco

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Hi Francesco,

I can only agree with what Alex wrote (the maintenance situation, porting
to Gtk3, starting with smaller components). The roadmap, which is sorta up
to date, can be found here: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/roadmap

That said, it is also a question of motivation and of reading the code that
is there already, as we don't really have the manpower to tutor people.
It's unfortunate, but that's just the way it is at the moment.
Anyway, welcome and I hope you'll find the time and motivation to
contribute!

If you need help, don't hesitate to ask either on the mailing list or
directly in irc (#xfce-dev on freenode).

Cheers
Simon




On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM Alex <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Francesco,
>
> these days not much happens on the "thunar-dev" mailing-list. (ca. 1 mail
> per month) Most things are discussed on "xfce4-dev".
>
> I am new to the xfce4 community myself, however regarding Thunar the first
> thing to achieve probably is to get the gtk3 port finished. The whole xfce4
> stack currently moves from gtk2 to gtk3. Thunar is probably one of the
> bigger junks to be moved.
> There is already some ongoing development on it, but it seems like the
> port still is experimental:
>
> http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/Experiments-in-porting-exo-to-Gtk3-td46692.html#a46700
>
> I dont know the current state .. best directly talk to the dev's which
> work on thunar and exo, and ask them where you can help.
> If you dont have experience with gtk, it probably makes sense to first
> move some smaller xfce4 projects to gtk3 to get used to it! ( There used to
> be some list of projects to be moved, but I dont know where it can be found
> )
>
> CC to xfce4 dev ... please correct me if I am wrong!
>
> Cheers,
> Alex
>
>
> On 07.02.2017 14:08, Francesco Pasa wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am a student and long time user of XFCE (since about 2007). I'd like to
> become a member of the Thunar development team, if possible. I never
> contributed to a open source project, so some orientation would be helpful.
> To make it concrete:
>
>    - It there a procedure to become a member of the team?
>    - Is Thunar actively maintained and developed?
>    - In case, how should I start?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Francesco
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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Re: Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7

Alen Chakarov
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Hi, and sorry in advance if this is not somewhere I can give input, but as a user and user only, I think it might be a good idea to leave xfce4-screenshooter behind. Right now, it's buggy, and I feel like unless you wanted to make it usable while porting it to GTK 3, it wouldn't be the best use of your time. Although I'm not sure how many people use it, perhaps gigolo would be a better place to start? I've attached a couple of examples of how xfce4-screenshooter's region capture doesn't really work very well (they're supposed to be just white rectangles, but the selection outlines tend to get randomly captured or leave artefacts).

Alen Chakarov

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Francesco Pasa <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

I totally agree that I need to start from something small. I have a little experience with gtk, but not much. I am used to look at other people's code, tough.

I see in the list that one small app that I could start with is xfce4-screenshooter, which seems to have nobody in charge for the translation. It's a bit sad to see we do not have many people...

For orientation I only need some infos like: how am I supposed to commit my changes and the like. I see there is a git repo, shoud I just clone it and commit or do I need some sort of account? Do you develop in a specific branch?

Thanks a lot, best,
Francesco

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Hi Francesco,

I can only agree with what Alex wrote (the maintenance situation, porting
to Gtk3, starting with smaller components). The roadmap, which is sorta up
to date, can be found here: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/roadmap

That said, it is also a question of motivation and of reading the code that
is there already, as we don't really have the manpower to tutor people.
It's unfortunate, but that's just the way it is at the moment.
Anyway, welcome and I hope you'll find the time and motivation to
contribute!

If you need help, don't hesitate to ask either on the mailing list or
directly in irc (#xfce-dev on freenode).

Cheers
Simon




On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM Alex <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Francesco,
>
> these days not much happens on the "thunar-dev" mailing-list. (ca. 1 mail
> per month) Most things are discussed on "xfce4-dev".
>
> I am new to the xfce4 community myself, however regarding Thunar the first
> thing to achieve probably is to get the gtk3 port finished. The whole xfce4
> stack currently moves from gtk2 to gtk3. Thunar is probably one of the
> bigger junks to be moved.
> There is already some ongoing development on it, but it seems like the
> port still is experimental:
>
> http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/Experiments-in-porting-exo-to-Gtk3-td46692.html#a46700
>
> I dont know the current state .. best directly talk to the dev's which
> work on thunar and exo, and ask them where you can help.
> If you dont have experience with gtk, it probably makes sense to first
> move some smaller xfce4 projects to gtk3 to get used to it! ( There used to
> be some list of projects to be moved, but I dont know where it can be found
> )
>
> CC to xfce4 dev ... please correct me if I am wrong!
>
> Cheers,
> Alex
>
>
> On 07.02.2017 14:08, Francesco Pasa wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am a student and long time user of XFCE (since about 2007). I'd like to
> become a member of the Thunar development team, if possible. I never
> contributed to a open source project, so some orientation would be helpful.
> To make it concrete:
>
>    - It there a procedure to become a member of the team?
>    - Is Thunar actively maintained and developed?
>    - In case, how should I start?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Francesco
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Re: Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7

André Miranda
xfce4-screenshooter works very well for me. I think you have the same problem as reported in Bug 9288.
I can't reproduce it here, please add more info to the bug, telling the steps to reproduce, which distro and hardware you're using and, due to its randomness, what's the approximate rate to produce it (e.g. 1 out 10 tries).

Cheers,
André Miranda


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Hi, and sorry in advance if this is not somewhere I can give input, but as a user and user only, I think it might be a good idea to leave xfce4-screenshooter behind. Right now, it's buggy, and I feel like unless you wanted to make it usable while porting it to GTK 3, it wouldn't be the best use of your time. Although I'm not sure how many people use it, perhaps gigolo would be a better place to start? I've attached a couple of examples of how xfce4-screenshooter's region capture doesn't really work very well (they're supposed to be just white rectangles, but the selection outlines tend to get randomly captured or leave artefacts).

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Re: Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7

Roland Kuebert
Hi André,

On 09.02.2017 15:46, André Miranda wrote:
> xfce4-screenshooter works very well for me. I think you have the same
> problem as reported in Bug 9288
> <https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9288>.
> I can't reproduce it here, please add more info to the bug, telling the
> steps to reproduce, which distro and hardware you're using and, due to
> its randomness, what's the approximate rate to produce it (e.g. 1 out 10
> tries).

+1 for your work on xfce4-screenshooter, I use it regularly. :)

I've seen these random issues as well but was not aware of the bug
report. I will contribute some information to it so maybe you or someone
else can track it down.

Cheers

Roland

>
> Cheers,
> André Miranda
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Alen Chakarov <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi, and sorry in advance if this is not somewhere I can give input,
>     but as a user and user only, I think it might be a good idea to
>     leave xfce4-screenshooter behind. Right now, it's buggy, and I feel
>     like unless you wanted to make it usable while porting it to GTK 3,
>     it wouldn't be the best use of your time. Although I'm not sure how
>     many people use it, perhaps gigolo would be a better place to start?
>     I've attached a couple of examples of how xfce4-screenshooter's
>     region capture doesn't really work very well (they're supposed to be
>     just white rectangles, but the selection outlines tend to get
>     randomly captured or leave artefacts).
>
>     Alen Chakarov
>
>
>
>
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Re: Xfce4-dev Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7

Simon Steinbeiss
Hi everyone,

first of all: thanks Francesco, you obviously kicked off quite some discussion on this - lately - quiet list :)
And don't be afraid, there are lots and lots of components that need maintainers/love!

Kudos also to André for picking up screenshooter. I use it a lot and I've never had any issues with it.
I have collected some ideas as to what could be improved UX wise, if you're interested to discuss it let me know.

Finally: please don't reply to digests. It totally messes up the threads in mailman. Thanks in advance!

Cheers
Simon



On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:03 PM Roland Kuebert <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi André,

On 09.02.2017 15:46, André Miranda wrote:
> xfce4-screenshooter works very well for me. I think you have the same
> problem as reported in Bug 9288
> <https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9288>.
> I can't reproduce it here, please add more info to the bug, telling the
> steps to reproduce, which distro and hardware you're using and, due to
> its randomness, what's the approximate rate to produce it (e.g. 1 out 10
> tries).

+1 for your work on xfce4-screenshooter, I use it regularly. :)

I've seen these random issues as well but was not aware of the bug
report. I will contribute some information to it so maybe you or someone
else can track it down.

Cheers

Roland

>
> Cheers,
> André Miranda
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Alen Chakarov <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi, and sorry in advance if this is not somewhere I can give input,
>     but as a user and user only, I think it might be a good idea to
>     leave xfce4-screenshooter behind. Right now, it's buggy, and I feel
>     like unless you wanted to make it usable while porting it to GTK 3,
>     it wouldn't be the best use of your time. Although I'm not sure how
>     many people use it, perhaps gigolo would be a better place to start?
>     I've attached a couple of examples of how xfce4-screenshooter's
>     region capture doesn't really work very well (they're supposed to be
>     just white rectangles, but the selection outlines tend to get
>     randomly captured or leave artefacts).
>
>     Alen Chakarov
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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