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Problem with Sound settings

James Moe
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opensuse 13.2
linux 3.16.7-7-desktop x86_64
xcfe v4.10

  Tweaking the settings for xfce sometimes causes the sound settings
to disconnect. All sounds go silent.
  The first symptom is that the speaker icon on the panel shows as
muted, and it is not possible to unmute it. The only solution I have
found to this situation is to reboot. Then I have to log into Gnome
(KDE might work also, haven't tried) to re-connect and set the volume
up in the Gnome "Sound" settings. I can then return to xfce and have
sound.
  There does not appear to be a similar settings panel for Sound that
is required to re-enable sound after it has been damaged. The only
sound option in Settings Manager is "Audio Mixer," which is not useful
in this instance.
  Perhaps I am missing something?

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Re: Problem with Sound settings

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:00:44 -0700
James Moe <[hidden email]> wrote:

>   Tweaking the settings for xfce sometimes causes the sound settings
> to disconnect. All sounds go silent.
>   The first symptom is that the speaker icon on the panel shows as
> muted, and it is not possible to unmute it. The only solution I have
> found to this situation is to reboot. Then I have to log into Gnome
> (KDE might work also, haven't tried) to re-connect and set the volume
> up in the Gnome "Sound" settings. I can then return to xfce and have
> sound.
>   There does not appear to be a similar settings panel for Sound that
> is required to re-enable sound after it has been damaged. The only
> sound option in Settings Manager is "Audio Mixer," which is not useful
> in this instance.
>   Perhaps I am missing something?

Do you use Pulse-audio ?

If so the XFCE volume control mutes the sound when you go down to zero, but does not unmute when you go back up.

One solution I found is to install pavucontrol, which lets you mute/unmute without problem.
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

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On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM, James Moe <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> opensuse 13.2
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> xcfe v4.10
>
>   Tweaking the settings for xfce sometimes causes the sound settings
> to disconnect. All sounds go silent.
>   The first symptom is that the speaker icon on the panel shows as
> muted, and it is not possible to unmute it. The only solution I have
> found to this situation is to reboot. Then I have to log into Gnome
> (KDE might work also, haven't tried) to re-connect and set the volume
> up in the Gnome "Sound" settings. I can then return to xfce and have
> sound.
>   There does not appear to be a similar settings panel for Sound that
> is required to re-enable sound after it has been damaged. The only
> sound option in Settings Manager is "Audio Mixer," which is not useful
> in this instance.
>   Perhaps I am missing something?
>
You're probably hitting this supremely aggravating bug:
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8583

Either use the workaroud suggested there, or switch the mixer to use
Pulseaudio and in my experience then the panel plugin behaves much
better.

Regards,
Liviu


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Re: Problem with Sound settings

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I often lose sound when I login.   The problem, for me at least, is that
the Pulse Audio Volume Control > Output device switches to Analog.
Clicking in this and selecting Speakers and I then have sound again.
Just my $.02 worth.











On 01/21/2015 12:00 PM, James Moe wrote:

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>
>    Tweaking the settings for xfce sometimes causes the sound settings
> to disconnect. All sounds go silent.
>    The first symptom is that the speaker icon on the panel shows as
> muted, and it is not possible to unmute it. The only solution I have
> found to this situation is to reboot. Then I have to log into Gnome
> (KDE might work also, haven't tried) to re-connect and set the volume
> up in the Gnome "Sound" settings. I can then return to xfce and have
> sound.
>    There does not appear to be a similar settings panel for Sound that
> is required to re-enable sound after it has been damaged. The only
> sound option in Settings Manager is "Audio Mixer," which is not useful
> in this instance.
>    Perhaps I am missing something?
>
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

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On 01/21/2015 01:12 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> You're probably hitting this supremely aggravating bug:
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8583
>
  Yes, that is it.

> Either use the workaround suggested there,
>
  That does not work :-(.

> or switch the mixer to use Pulseaudio and in my experience then the
> panel plugin behaves much better.
>
  I followed a method that required Settings Manager :: Settings
Editor :: xfce4-panel to change settings in "plugin-6":
plugin-6 -> "mixer"
plugin-6::command -> "pavucontrol"

  Is this the correct way to achieve pulseaudio use?

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Re: Problem with Sound settings

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On 01/21/2015 01:53 PM, Marshall Neill wrote:
> the Pulse Audio Volume Control > Output device switches to Analog.
>
  Where is this shown?

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Re: Problem with Sound settings

herbie643
I use the Whisker menu and it is under the Multimedia entry.


You  might have to install pavucontrol but it should already be
installed.  On my system, Manjaro, it is.







On 01/21/2015 02:58 PM, James Moe wrote:

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>> the Pulse Audio Volume Control > Output device switches to Analog.
>>
>    Where is this shown?
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

Liviu Andronic
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 9:57 PM, James Moe <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> On 01/21/2015 01:12 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>> You're probably hitting this supremely aggravating bug:
>> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8583
>>
>   Yes, that is it.
>
>> Either use the workaround suggested there,
>>
>   That does not work :-(.
>
It should help. First unmute Xfce Mixer from the panel, then Run
Mixer, Select Controls..., select all controls, then if it's still
muted try to mute/unmute either Headphone, Speaker, Master or PCM. If
that doesn't work try to increase/decrease slightly volume on those
controls. If it still doesn't work, check if you have an Auto-mute or
similar option, and ensure that it's enabled/disabled as appropriate.
Experiment like this  until you find the exact culprit on your system.



>> or switch the mixer to use Pulseaudio and in my experience then the
>> panel plugin behaves much better.
>>
>   I followed a method that required Settings Manager :: Settings
> Editor :: xfce4-panel to change settings in "plugin-6":
> plugin-6 -> "mixer"
> plugin-6::command -> "pavucontrol"
>
What I did and works here, was to right-click plugin properties,
select Playback: PulseAudio Mixer or similar. Then mute/unmute happens
gracefully.

Another way to work around this is to simply open PulseAudio Volume
Control, and unmute. THat should work too.

Liviu

>   Is this the correct way to achieve pulseaudio use?
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

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On 01/21/2015 02:05 PM, Marshall Neill wrote:
> I use the Whisker menu and it is under the Multimedia entry.
>
  Thanks. That is where it is.

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Re: Problem with Sound settings

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You're quite welcome James.








On 01/21/2015 04:37 PM, James Moe wrote:

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>>
>    Thanks. That is where it is.
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

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On 21/01/15 20:09, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
>
> Do you use Pulse-audio ?
>
> If so the XFCE volume control mutes the sound when you go down to zero, but does not unmute when you go back up.
>
> One solution I found is to install pavucontrol, which lets you mute/unmute without problem.

I wrote a new plugin for pulseaudio volume control:

https://github.com/andrzej-r/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin

It is still work in progress but basic features (keyboard shortcuts,
volume control via mouse scroll and mute with middle button) already work.

Andrzej

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Re: Problem with Sound settings

Stephan Haller
Hi Andrzej,

what is or will be the difference/advantage using your plugin and using
the standard mixer plugin with calling pavucontrol in conjunction with
xfce4-volumed-pulse?

One advantage I could imagine is that pavucontrol might not be needed
anymore although it is very handy - IMHO.

Greetings,
Stephan

Am Donnerstag, den 22.01.2015, 08:20 +0000 schrieb Andrzej:

> On 21/01/15 20:09, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> >
> > Do you use Pulse-audio ?
> >
> > If so the XFCE volume control mutes the sound when you go down to zero, but does not unmute when you go back up.
> >
> > One solution I found is to install pavucontrol, which lets you mute/unmute without problem.
>
> I wrote a new plugin for pulseaudio volume control:
>
> https://github.com/andrzej-r/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
>
> It is still work in progress but basic features (keyboard shortcuts,
> volume control via mouse scroll and mute with middle button) already work.
>
> Andrzej
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

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On 01/21/2015 11:00 AM, James Moe wrote:
> opensuse 13.2 linux 3.16.7-7-desktop x86_64 xcfe v4.10
>
> Tweaking the settings for xfce sometimes causes the sound settings
> to disconnect. All sounds go silent.
>
  Thank you all for you assistance. I can recover sound now fairly easily.
  It is not perfect, unfortunately. My keyboard has mute and volume
controls, which work as they should in Gnome, do not in xfce. The mute
button mutes, but does not unmute. The volume controls are useless.
Thankfully there is "Pulseaudio Volume Control" which can restore and
control whatever sound settings I desire.

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Re: Problem with Sound settings

Kai-Martin Knaak-3
James Moe wrote:

> My keyboard has mute and volume
> controls, which work as they should in Gnome, do not in xfce. The mute
> button mutes, but does not unmute.

Same here.
Unmute via the panel plugin does not work, either. What does work, though,
is to open alsamixer and unmute all master and PCM manually. While mute
applies consistently to master and PCM, unmute only unmutes master.

I experience this on various different hardware, ever since I switched to
XFCE about three years ago. I just live with it. If I accidentally press
mute, I open alsamixer and unmute PCM.


> The volume controls are useless.

Volume control via keyboard works for me (provided I have unmuted all
channels with alsamixer)

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Re: Problem with Sound settings

Jape Person
On 01/23/2015 07:09 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:

> James Moe wrote:
>
>> My keyboard has mute and volume controls, which work as they should
>> in Gnome, do not in xfce. The mute button mutes, but does not
>> unmute.
>
> Same here. Unmute via the panel plugin does not work, either. What
> does work, though, is to open alsamixer and unmute all master and PCM
> manually. While mute applies consistently to master and PCM, unmute
> only unmutes master.
>
> I experience this on various different hardware, ever since I
> switched to XFCE about three years ago. I just live with it. If I
> accidentally press mute, I open alsamixer and unmute PCM.
>
>
>> The volume controls are useless.
>
> Volume control via keyboard works for me (provided I have unmuted
> all channels with alsamixer)
>
> ---<)kaimartin(>---
>

Your description describes precisely my experience with Xfce in the
Debian testing environment on four very different systems. All were
installed from different installation images (though all were netinst).
One is an upgrade all the way from Lenny, the most recent install was
from RC2 of the Jessie installer done last week. The other two systems
fall in between insofar as original .iso image.

Three of the systems are notebooks with volume and mute-unmute keys and
behave exactly as you say wrt those keys. Mute kills everything, unmute
only unmutes the master setting. And unmuting from the panel applet only
unmutes master, also. I have to open the mixer control to unmute
headphone, speaker, PCM, whatever.

At least it's consistent!

;-)
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:13:37 -0500
Jape Person <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Your description describes precisely my experience with Xfce in the
> Debian testing environment on four very different systems. All were
> installed from different installation images (though all were netinst).
> One is an upgrade all the way from Lenny, the most recent install was
> from RC2 of the Jessie installer done last week. The other two systems
> fall in between insofar as original .iso image.
>
> Three of the systems are notebooks with volume and mute-unmute keys and
> behave exactly as you say wrt those keys. Mute kills everything, unmute
> only unmutes the master setting. And unmuting from the panel applet only
> unmutes master, also. I have to open the mixer control to unmute
> headphone, speaker, PCM, whatever.

This is due to an incompatibility between the sound system, and the driver reading the keys.

IIRC one of the sound systems (asla ?) has a muting command the toggles mute/umute while the other (Pulseaudio ?) has one mute command, and one umute.

So if the key driver is set for one sound system, and you use the other, you are buggered.

And the same applies to the default panel volume control app.
 
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

Jape Person
On 01/23/2015 11:30 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:13:37 -0500
> Jape Person <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Your description describes precisely my experience with Xfce in the
>> Debian testing environment on four very different systems. All were
>> installed from different installation images (though all were netinst).
>> One is an upgrade all the way from Lenny, the most recent install was
>> from RC2 of the Jessie installer done last week. The other two systems
>> fall in between insofar as original .iso image.
>>
>> Three of the systems are notebooks with volume and mute-unmute keys and
>> behave exactly as you say wrt those keys. Mute kills everything, unmute
>> only unmutes the master setting. And unmuting from the panel applet only
>> unmutes master, also. I have to open the mixer control to unmute
>> headphone, speaker, PCM, whatever.
>
> This is due to an incompatibility between the sound system, and the driver reading the keys.
>
> IIRC one of the sound systems (asla ?) has a muting command the toggles mute/umute while the other (Pulseaudio ?) has one mute command, and one umute.
>
> So if the key driver is set for one sound system, and you use the other, you are buggered.
>
> And the same applies to the default panel volume control app.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
>
OIC.

Thank you for the information.

Time for a little experimentation.
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:48:14 -0500
Jape Person <[hidden email]> wrote:

> >> Your description describes precisely my experience with Xfce in the
> >> Debian testing environment on four very different systems. All were
> >> installed from different installation images (though all were netinst).
> >> One is an upgrade all the way from Lenny, the most recent install was
> >> from RC2 of the Jessie installer done last week. The other two systems
> >> fall in between insofar as original .iso image.

> >> Three of the systems are notebooks with volume and mute-unmute keys and
> >> behave exactly as you say wrt those keys. Mute kills everything, unmute
> >> only unmutes the master setting. And unmuting from the panel applet only
> >> unmutes master, also. I have to open the mixer control to unmute
> >> headphone, speaker, PCM, whatever.  

> > This is due to an incompatibility between the sound system, and the driver reading the keys.
> > IIRC one of the sound systems (asla ?) has a muting command the toggles mute/umute while the other (Pulseaudio ?) has one mute command, and one umute.

> > So if the key driver is set for one sound system, and you use the other, you are buggered.
> >
> > And the same applies to the default panel volume control app.

> Thank you for the information.
> Time for a little experimentation.

At one time to solve this I used a one-line script to toggle the mute; it contained:

amixer -D pulse set Master Playback Switch toggle &> /dev/null
 
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

Jape Person
On 01/23/2015 12:15 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:48:14 -0500
> Jape Person <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Thank you for the information.
>> Time for a little experimentation.
>
> At one time to solve this I used a one-line script to toggle the mute; it contained:
>
> amixer -D pulse set Master Playback Switch toggle &> /dev/null
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
>

Noted.

I have just been given instructions concerning a domestic project
unrelated to computing endeavors. However, I hope to return to this
pursuit later this weekend.

8-)

Again, thank you for the information!
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Re: Problem with Sound settings

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 12:31:46 -0500
Jape Person <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have just been given instructions concerning a domestic project
> unrelated to computing endeavors. However, I hope to return to this
> pursuit later this weekend.

It is in the order of things that the wishes of SWMBO takes precedence  ;-3)
 
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